Talk:Guy Banister

Picture

The picture attached to this article appears to be of Carrot Top. Can someone fix that?65.207.2.2 21:40, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Ok, non-carrot-top picture included under Fair Use Hutcher (talk) 19:31, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

What is the source of all this information?

Other than using the movie JFK, what is the source of this info? It should be removed immediately without citation:

On 9th August, 1963, Lee Harvey Oswald distributed leaflets that supported Fidel Castro and his communist government in Cuba. On these leaflets was the address 544 Camp Street, New Orleans. From October 1961 to February 1962, this had been the address of the Cuban Revolutionary Council, an anti-Castro group. Around the corner from 544 Camp Street, located in the same structure but with a different entrance, was 531 Lafayette Street, which housed the detective agency run by Guy Banister. This caused Garrison to suspect that Oswald had been involved in a right-wing conspiracy to kill Kennedy.

On the afternoon of November 22, 1963, Banister and Jack Martin went drinking together. On their return to Banister's office, the two men argued about a missing file. Banister became so angry that he drew his Magnum revolver and struck Martin with it several times. Martin was treated at Charity Hospital.

Over the next few days Martin told authorities and reporters that David Ferrie had been involved in the assassination of John F. Kennedy. He claimed that Ferrie knew Lee Harvey Oswald from their days in the New Orleans Civil Air Patrol and had given him lessons on how to use a rifle with a telescopic sight.

This information eventually reached Jim Garrison, the district attorney of New Orleans, who, in 1966, interviewed Martin about the accusations. Martin claimed that during the summer of 1963 Banister and David Ferrie were involved in something very sinister with a group of Cuban exiles.

Garrison now became convinced that a group of right-wing activists, including Banister, David Ferrie, and Clay Shaw, were involved in a conspiracy with the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) to kill John F. Kennedy. Garrison claimed this was in retaliation for Kennedy's attempts to obtain peace settlements in both Cuba and Vietnam. Jtpaladin 16:53, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for this note, the book "Marrs, Jim. Crossfire: The Plot that Killed Kennedy" is the source not the movie Hutcher (talk) 19:31, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

All I've heard about Jack Martin was that he was a schizophrenic alcoholic with a verifiable record of lots of time in jail and mental institutions. The story is that he would get mad at someone and then call everybody he could think of incessantly to tell incriminating stories. This article invokes his rantings at face value and reads like conspiracy theory tabloid BS. MrG 4.228.21.139 (talk) 21:41, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

NPOV

I've tagged this article as NPOV because the majority of cited references are to a conspiracy text which does not qualify as a reliable source under Wikipedia rules. These should be removed and replaced with more reliable sources. An encyclopedia should not rely on such a book for its primary source. Gamaliel (talk) 18:24, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

While it's probably not admissible as a source, the article on the "JFK 100" site on Banister, at "http://www.jfk-online.com/jfk100whoban.html", looks like a good place to get some clues. It's far less sensationalistic, the bit about the "mysterious death" of Leon Lomax here sounds particularly cheesy. I can't seem to place Lomax in the "mysterious JFK deaths" lists but I am admittedly a dabbler in the subject. From what JFK 100 says, Banister was ex-FBI and did have indirect links to New Orleans gang boss Carlos Marcello, but he had no real links to the spook community. The CIA had apparently thought of using Banister as a front in 1960, but it seems his reputation as a violent alcoholic turned them off. He did have links with anti-Castro Cubans, at least to the one group that lived next door to him at the infamous 544 Camp street, but there's no evidence to link him to any gun-running or black ops. MrG 23:27, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

@Gamaliel: I agree. Although most of the conspiracy sources have been culled over the past 15 years, there are still a few that remain. Here is one sentence currently cited only to Summers and Douglass:

Banister's office was within walking distance of the New Orleans offices of the FBI, CIA, Office of Naval Intelligence and the Reily Coffee Company (Lee Harvey Oswald's employer and a supporter of anti-Castro Cubans).

The relevance of this material is to push a conspiratorial viewpoint that is not discussed in reliable secondary sources. As such, I am removing it. -Location (talk) 21:08, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

References

Source

Article is far to reliant on one source.

^ Marrs, Jim. Crossfire: The Plot that Killed Kennedy, (New York: Carroll & Graf, 1989), p. 100,236. ISBN 0-88184-648-1 ^ HSCA: Material received from files of New Orleans district attorney's office pertaining to investigation and trial of Clay Shaw, 1967-69, attachment D, section 5, regarding Guy Banister, "Biographical Sketch" (JFK Document 007271). ^ Marrs, Jim. Crossfire: The Plot that Killed Kennedy, (New York: Carroll & Graf, 1989), p. 236. ISBN 0-88184-648-1 ^ Marrs, Jim. Crossfire: The Plot that Killed Kennedy, (New York: Carroll & Graf, 1989), p. 235,236. ISBN 0-88184-648-1 ^ Malcolm X: Make It Plain / Full Documentary " Best MCee Ever" - Rap Music - Zimbio ^ Marrs, Jim. Crossfire: The Plot that Killed Kennedy, (New York: Carroll & Graf, 1989), p. 236. ISBN 0-88184-648-1 ^ Marrs, Jim. Crossfire: The Plot that Killed Kennedy, (New York: Carroll & Graf, 1989), p. 236. ISBN 0-88184-648-1 ^ Marrs, Jim. Crossfire: The Plot that Killed Kennedy, (New York: Carroll & Graf, 1989), p. 235-237. ISBN 0-88184-648-1 ^ New Orleans States Item, April 25, 1967 ^ Marrs, Jim. Crossfire: The Plot that Killed Kennedy, (New York: Carroll & Graf, 1989), p. 499. ISBN 0-88184-648-1 ^ Marrs, Jim. Crossfire: The Plot that Killed Kennedy, (New York: Carroll & Graf, 1989), p. 494. ISBN 0-88184-648-1 ^ FBI Interview of Jack S. Martin, 25 November 1963 & 27 November 1963, Warren Commission Document No. 75, pp. 217-18, 309-11. ^ Marrs, Jim. Crossfire: The Plot that Killed Kennedy, (New York: Carroll & Graf, 1989), p. 494. ISBN 0-88184-648-1 ^ Marrs, Jim. Crossfire: The Plot that Killed Kennedy, (New York: Carroll & Graf, 1989), p. 100. ISBN 0-88184-648-1 ^ Marrs, Jim. Crossfire: The Plot that Killed Kennedy, (New York: Carroll & Graf, 1989), p. 497. ISBN 0-88184-648-1 ^ Playboy interview ^ Garrison, Jim. On The Trail of the Assassins, (New York: Sheridan Square Press, 1988), p. 12. ISBN 0-446-36277-8 ^ "Shoot Him Down" : NBC, the CIA and Jim Garrison by William Davy ^ The Patsy - Oswald ^ Bagwell, Orlando, Malcolm X Make It Plain (1994) ^ Malcolm X: Make It Plain / Full Documentary " Best MCee Ever" - Rap Music - Zimbio ^ Marrs, Jim. Crossfire: The Plot that Killed Kennedy, (New York: Carroll & Graf, 1989), p. 236. ISBN 0-88184-648-1 Guy Banister at www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk Who was Guy Banister? at www.jfk-online.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.234.10.144 (talk) 11:19, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Consolidate Info

As Banister has no notability outside his involvement in the Shaw trial. I suggest creating a new article called "Persons related to the Shaw trial" or something to that effect, and merging this article into it along with the ones on Ferrie, Russo, Martin, etc. Any opposition? Ramsquire ^{(throw me a line)} 23:01, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

I oppose. By your own admission he is notable. It's not a crime to be notable for one very big thing like being the Intelligence handler for the suspected assassin of the US President. Claims are sourced and the article has multiple sources including published works. Hutcher (talk) 02:56, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Merge

This article should be merged with the People involved in the trial of Clay Shaw article. Article fail WP:BIO as it does not establish sufficient notability to warrant a stand alone article. Further the contents of the article fail both WP:RS and WP:NPOV. Ramsquire ^{(throw me a line)} 18:17, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Reliable Sources Added

Guy Bannister is a notable individual, as he was a murder suspect in the JFK assassination and was investigated by both District Attorney Jim Garrison and the U.S. House Select Committee on Assassination (HSCA). Additional sources have been added to the article that pass WP:RS and WP:NPOV standards, including a primary source: the U.S. House Select Committee on Assassinations report. Mark Tracy (talk) 03:31, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Image

I scanned an image of Guy Bannister Associates, Inc. Yellow Pages advertisement from the 1959 New Orleans Telephone Directory. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Guy_bannister_1959_advertisement.png I do not know how to incorporate this into the article. If anyone has the expertise and the interest, please feel free. --Kpedsea (talk) 12:39, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Plagiarism

Much of this article is clearly lifted from John Simkin's site https://spartacus-educational.com/JFKbannister.htm

I compared the two articles using an online tool and found that 43% of the text is verbatim copied from Simkin.

https://copyleaks.com/compare-embed/compare-two-files/3124ca7c-337d-4719-adfa-941ecb8ace99/14009429/1/2?key=K34tlwPZmJWaB7YUr2lW

At the very least, Simkin should be credited as a source and his article should be linked.BTercero (talk) 03:53, 28 December 2019 (UTC)